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Welcome to TEAMtalk's General Your Say, where we discuss everything to do with the beautiful game.
So it's Burnley and Derby who move into the Carling Cup semi-finals after late drama at The Brit and a deadly double from Kevin McDonald.
Performance of the night came from Burnley keeper Brain Jensen, though, who pulled off a string of fine saves to keep the Gunners at bay.
Burnley totally deserved their victory and love beating London clubs, while Stoke v Derby could've gone either way, with Ellington keeping his cool with a dramatic late spot-kick to secure a dramatic Rams raid.
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cuchulainn187 (Manchester United fan)
Posted Today @ 21:05 View all cuchulainn187's poststom182 (Tottenham Hotspur fan) I suggest you go re-read everything between me & that idiot. You seen to have gotten everything wrong. Shibbyness was jumped on by a few people for making the faux pas of calling Keane British. I told everyoner (mostly my fellow Irishmen) to calm down it was a simple mistake. I then got the Wtrust a United fan not to have Irish pride" garbage. Anyway I'[m doing your work for you. I await your apology :P
wyncs (Manchester United fan)
Posted Today @ 20:59 View all wyncs's postsshibbyness (Arsenal fan) Posted Today @ 19:11....think you totally got the wrong end of the stick re: ronaldosbigtoe and his earlier post. must say though im not surprised an objective post looking to start a reasoned debate has once again been replied to with a 'my teams better than your team' response. I suggest taking a look at arse_ome's posts today, that to me seems like an aresenal fan with a sensible head and reasoned, rational thought. Ive enjoyed reading some of his convo's today, really what TT is all about. cheers
warringtonred (Manchester United fan)
Posted Today @ 20:57 View all warringtonred's posts
So SAF has opted for youth and experience something Wenger should have done last night. That said, Tevez apart even our experienced players are all products of our managers expertise in spotting raw talent and nurturing it. If Scholesy comes on that will be 3 players making an appearance in the Youth Cup final of 92. 16 years on and still doing the business. That is why Telco etc shout from the rafters because it truly is a measure of this famous manager and famous club. I am dead proud.
fergie_rules (Manchester United fan)
Posted Today @ 20:55 View all fergie_rules's postsronaldos big toe (Manchester United fan): I think United should go with Foster next season, he just needs games to establsh himself. He's only had a small number of games so far but he always looks quality. We should go with him for sure. I can understand that goalkeepers need experience but he has world class ability, if you are good enough then you are old enough. Casilas was playing in goal for Madrid from an early age. Fair enough if he continue's to get injured that would be a concern but he's just been unlucky so far. His kicking ability is awesome with both feet, very agile and mobility. Then we have Kuszczak is decent keeper aswell, certainly a good understudy to Foster, i don't think another keeper is required. I also want the England number one to play for Man Utd, and if he gets his chance in our team i think he'll do well. By the way what do Blackburn fans think about Man Utd reserves giving your first team a footballing lesson? comments please
Redjon4 (Liverpool fan)
Posted Today @ 20:37 View all Redjon4's postsRedDoc (Liverpool fan) I doubt they will mate not all of them anyway. Cheers
Arse_ome (Arsenal fan)
Posted Today @ 19:55 View all Arse_ome's postsronaldos big toe (Manchester United fan)Totally agree. So you reckon united would sign a new experienced number1 after vds leaves? i agree foster's too inexperienced for united now, and until he gets a run of games he won't be. So you see his and the clubs predicament? he has to be loaned out surely to get that experience you need in order to play for united. not too sure why you didn't leave him play for watford for another 4 years or so?
Redjon4 (Liverpool fan)
Posted Today @ 19:41 View all Redjon4's postsmanu4ever73 (Manchester United fan) hello mate good luck in the cup tonight. Hope you beat Blackburn so there confidence is low this weekend when we face them!! And we can get back to winning. Cheers
shibbyness (Arsenal fan)
Posted Today @ 19:38 View all shibbyness's postsSome people are critical of our performance last night. To those people - focus your concern on the likes of Wigan, who will be at threat next season if Burnley play as well as that for the rest of the season. As I said earlier, we were beaten by a really good team yesterday. It says a lot about how good Burnley were that I feel little if no embarrassment at our defeat. On the face of it, we lost to a Championship side. In reality, they were better than that.
shibbyness (Arsenal fan)
Posted Today @ 19:30 View all shibbyness's postsRobinho's comments about City having a small minded mentality is interesting. I think he's right, and I don't like it when 'smaller' teams don't have the confidence or optimism to go for it. Take Spurs as a good example. They had a manager who didn't work out in Ramos, but the one thing I really admired about him was that he had that big time mentality - the confidence and attitude to take on the biggest teams, and that's why I thought he was going get Spurs into the elite. Redknapp is a good manager, but he won't get Tottenham there because he has a small time mentality. He always used to whine at Portsmouth about not being able to challenge the top sides because they were so much better, almost as a ready made excuse for when they failed. But it's so much better to try, and fail, than to give up without trying. This is why I sympathise with Robinho...
RedDoc (Liverpool fan)
Posted Today @ 19:12 View all RedDoc's postsi know a lot of people on here rate mascherano and carrick, and i do too, but i got to say that no-one can argue with the fact that xabi alonso has probably been the best passing/creative midfielder in the prem this season, ok he doesnt score many goals but if you see his range of passing and the way he controls a game (he outshines gerrard in the creativity/passing dept for me every time) it just takes your breath away. carrick is good, but not a patch on alonso this season. i think most man u fans will agree with me on this
cooliegooner (Arsenal fan)
Posted Today @ 19:11 View all cooliegooner's postswhy are all teams comparing their youth systems to arsenals if we're so bad.....everyone is "arsenal kids this and arsenals kids that" well since u're better compare them to manu's or liverpools cause they're better
shibbyness (Arsenal fan)
Posted Today @ 19:11 View all shibbyness's postsRonaldo's Big Toe, you've given an interesting account of our team. I think that there are two problems with your point. One is that you've only included our starting 11, and been selective and inaccurate. Van Persie was 20, and spent time developing. And you've put Diaby, Fab, Denilson and Nasri as our midfield. You could've picked Song, Walcott or Rosicky. Of course Rosicky was about 25 but Song and Walcott were much younger. Anyway, no team in the league has a team of players developed from youth at their club. But most don't even have any. The point though, is that why exactly does it matter? Is it a criticism or observation you're making? Because no one said we have a team of home-grown talent. But the point is that most players in our team were developed into the players they are at our club. Touré was 21, yet changed from a nondescript attacking midfielder into a top class defender. Van Persie, Adebayor, Clichy, Almunia, Fabregas, Diaby, Song, Walcott, Denilson, Vela, Djourou are all players who came to our club and developed, or are developing, into top, top players. Ramsey, Nasri and Wilshere will probably follow. Just like Henry, Anelka, Vieira etc before them. We didn't claim to develop them from the age of 9! It would be more impressive if we had, but we didn't, and aren't claiming to. United though, bought the likes of Carrick, Berbatov, Tevez, Hargreaves, Vidic and Ferdinand as already top class players. Credit to you for developing the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney, but if we're comparing current starting XI's, surely we get more credit in terms of developing players, right?
arsenal1992 (Arsenal fan)
Posted Today @ 18:52 View all arsenal1992's postsronaldos big toe (Manchester United fan) Posted Today @ 18:05 - I agree with where your coming from but if you look closely at seasons gone by, say the last 7-8 years, then look at the talent that has made it. Bentley, Ashley Cole, Clichy and Fabregas who you mentioned. And also I happen to know that as of the start of the 2006-07 season, Reading's first team consisted of 8 ex-Arsenal academy players, so I think that shows you up a bit. Cheers.
chris tattersall
Posted Today @ 18:48 View all chris tattersall's postsMMl, Sportsmanship is still one of the most vital ingredients in sport for some people, buddy. I'm one of them and so is Stuilse. You can add Bjorn Borg, Gary Sobers, Steve Redgrave, Barry Sheen, Gareth Edwards and Mike Brierley to Stu's list. I don't like Ronaldo. Fabulously gifted though he undoubtedly is, his acheivements will always be tainted by his cheating mentality. The truth is that real sporting greats never cheat. They quite simply don't have to.
nine,nine,nine (Chelsea fan)
Posted Today @ 18:46 View all nine,nine,nine's postskimbo55@10:57 Fair response mate and it is a nice Uni in a great City for fun too Cheers 999
bluenose57 (Everton fan)
Posted Today @ 18:43 View all bluenose57's postsI am not a regular on this page but need some different views as to our home form compared to our away form I often watch as much footi as poss even lpool who I have affection for as kids in the 60s we would go with our mates on the kop and then next week on gladys st so that said after watching lpoolvWham I noticed how patient the fans were even up to the 75th minute as a season ticket holder and a blue since 62 is our team switching off when the fans become impatient at home how can you get beat by wigan and then go to Tot and win or is it something else
nine,nine,nine (Chelsea fan)
Posted Today @ 18:40 View all nine,nine,nine's postsmikeyo@12:45 Upson,Green,Parker,Bellamy,Cole,Neill,Boa Morte from the West Ham Academy or bought??????? Chelsea FA Youth Cup Finalist's 2008 and the Youth team knocked Man U out of the Youth cup last week up at OT, Mancienne,Sinclair,Di Santo and Stoch all 18/19 have figured with the first team this season and Mancieene was called up for the full England squad 2 weeks ago!!!!
nine,nine,nine (Chelsea fan)
Posted Today @ 18:28 View all nine,nine,nine's poststhereal_noscruplz@12:38 I don't tar you all with the same brush mate, in fact for instance silk who is a Liverpool poster I rate as one of the very very best posters on here but then again he doesn't indulge in "foolish" posts, it is unfortunate that you seem to have a higher level of foolish ones in your ranks than the other clubs on here, anyway if you check my posts I have said all along that Liverpool's PL challenge is a credible one, tho as it stands now I think Utd will probably win it again, enjoy your moment in the sun tho its been a long time coming! Cheers 999
pikkhaue
Posted Today @ 18:27 View all pikkhaue's postsI see this debate going on about Carrick. In my opinion is the best UK born holding midfielder and only Essien surpasses him in the PL. The way he switches the team from defense to attack is just magnificent! I have noticed that some ManU attacks just stop with no progress when hes not on the pitch, the calm he has combined with sublime passing is priceless. Unlike Mascherano who only tackles and passes 3 meters Carrick also tend to bring the ball forward himself and creates som great chances for himself and the others. The only downside compared to a powerhouse like Essien is that he lacks some pace, technique and drive. He should be a more box-to-box midfielder like Essien. That is something which easly can be changed on the training ground.
FulhamMan (Fulham fan)
Posted Today @ 18:24 View all FulhamMan's posts
Just a quick post to say that I hope Utd bash Blackburn as I hate Ince. He is stupid, arrogant and rubbish and yet is being paid however many millions a year when frankly anyone could do a better job than him. (Yes i'm jealous that such a talentless man is being paid a fortune.) This is something I never thought I would say but "I hope Utd mash Blackburn."
The editor says.... Harsh on the man, but can I just say that all the people who criticised my pre-season tip of Blackburn going down might end up eating humble pie. I know it's still early doors as far as the season is concerned and Blackburn could and should still get out of the relegation scrap, but I always felt this job was a bit too big for him. -Marshy
tom182 (Tottenham Hotspur fan)
Posted Today @ 18:21 View all tom182's postscuchulainn187 (Manchester United fan) Posted Today @ 12:55 - Why do you get so touchy and excited whenever nationality is mentioned? The sad thing is you are very occasionally capable of typing some semi interesting football related points, but your nationality always seems to be at the back of your mind, shame really
ronaldos big toe (Manchester United fan)
Posted Today @ 18:21 View all ronaldos big toe's postsArse_ome - I genuinely believe that Foster has what it takes to become a top United keeper in future. But what concerns me is that he is at the moment too inexperienced. The problem with keepers is that they generally tend to peak in their late 20's right through to their late 30's. Schmeichel was at his very very best in his last few seasons I thought, in his early 30's. Same I think with Seaman. Cech seems to be the only exception, where a keeper can be consistently at such a high level at such a young age. And so going by that logic, Foster isn't likely to become of United standard for another 4 years I would say, and that would have to be after 4 years of 50 games a season with a top club. The biggest factor for a goalkeeper is experience, and as he gets older the more dominant he becomes. We've seen what can happen to goalkeepers in this country who are singled out at a young age - Robinson, Kirkland and Carson have all struggled to cope with certain pressures and we're relying on a nearly 40-year-old James, who I believe is the best of a bad bunch, but has the experience to play for England. My feeling is that there's a good chance that United will just sign another experienced goalkeeper, as they've failed with too many risks since Schmeichel (Taibi, Howard, Carroll).
nine,nine,nine (Chelsea fan)
Posted Today @ 18:12 View all nine,nine,nine's postsOgee4life@14:41 Think you have got that one wrong fella United weren't in last seasons FA Youth Cup Final it was City and Chelsea and United wont be in this seasons Youth Cup final as Chelse knocked them out last week at OT, just for the record mate.Cheers 999
nine,nine,nine (Chelsea fan)
Posted Today @ 18:08 View all nine,nine,nine's postsFFCfan@15:02 I hear that there is going to be an enormous outbreak of Chelsea form on the 28th Dec!!!
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marmottehouse (Manchester United fan)
Posted Today @ 21:05 View all marmottehouse's postschris tattersall Posted Today @ 18:48 Well then you are saying that almost every talented Italian or portuguese or Gerrard aren't great sportsman,and I think that you are wrong.Figo,Henry,Gerrard,Drogba,Nesta,Totti,Gattuso,Camoranesi,Inzaghi,just to name a few,these for me are top sportsmen,and for you not...And by the way,try to take a look at the sort of tackles Ronaldo is at the end of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jASxMjHySrg&feature=related And you'll understand why he dives to make himself justice,and the cheats are the untalented cowards that tackles him very unsportingly often without picking red cards. So sportsmen don't need to cheat ,but that's only when they play against fair play opposition,not losers that can only defend by consistent dangerous systematic fouling.